True Crime Community- anyone else can relate to th
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03 May 20 9:33 pm
So,Ive been part of the True Crime Community for a while( and to some the association 'killer obsessed fandom' might pop up. Which is understandable, but the facts are more neuanced than this).

I find the community kind of interesting and educational. But theres a few things I dont like that some people do

- Bashes Dave Cullen thread after thread. For those that dont know, Cullen is the author of a best selling book called 'Columbine', and he argues that the Columbine killers werent actually bullied. Which is kind of controversial in this whole debate about Columbine.

'Eric Harris wasnt a psychopath. Psychopaths dont kill themselves. He was just pushed to the limit'. Even though most experts Ive looked into agree that he was either a psychopath/ narssissist/ something like that. And even though we know for a fact most school shooters dont 'snap'. And is true that psychopaths cant committ suicide? Ive read the opposite.

Eccho- chamber, sort off. Well, this is just my opinion. And I wonder wether anyone else have the same experience?
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06 May 20 8:23 pm
I've been reading up on psychology since 2014 and I've followed documentaries on the Colombine massacre. In an interview with a survivor he admits the perpertrators were victims of bullying. I think people have a 'knee jerl' reaction because bullying is a big issue these days and there's more sympathy towards victims. So claiming the murderers were victims of bullying is difficult for people because they can't sympathise. It doesn't justify their actions, simply explains it.
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06 May 20 8:27 pm
...as for being pyschopaths, I don't think people really know what that means. (I was called a psychopath in High School simply because I liked Vampires, watched X-Files, interested in military history and listened to rap). Psychopath's have a disfunction in the frontal lobe (or frontal cortex?) which is responsible for learning appropriate behavious. They can't comprehend between right and wrong and are only concerned about themselves. I'm sure someone else could explain that better though. Ha,ha! Hope that helps?
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06 May 20 8:28 pm
Ooh, ooh! A sociopath is like a psycho but they have a normal functioning brain. It's just that they didn't get proper discipline or teaching during childhood and so demonstrate callous attitudes and are self absorbed (like a psychopath). The difference is a sociopath can learn!
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07 May 20 10:31 pm
Karl wrote:
I've been reading up on psychology since 2014 and I've followed documentaries on the Colombine massacre. In an interview with a survivor he admits the perpertrators were victims of bullying. I think people have a 'knee jerl' reaction because bullying is a big issue these days and there's more sympathy towards victims. So claiming the murderers were victims of bullying is difficult for people because they can't sympathise. It doesn't justify their actions, simply explains it.

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Yes, but keep in mind that old information about Columbine isnt necessarily relevant, anymore.

You could be referencing jock Evan Todd. He never bullied them. He was mis quoted as referencing Eric and Dylan, but Langmann did and explanation about this in 'The search for Truth at Columbine'. I recently listened to a podcast on Swedish radio on this massacre, and Dwayne Fuselier, the prime investigator in the case argued that we will never truly know wether they were bullied etc. Frank Ochberg, another investigator said that they werent.

Sue Klebold, Dylans mother, have argued otherwise. Yet, theres also conflicting statements about the harassment. From people claiming never to have seen it and to people arguing that only Eric got picked on. I, personally dont think theres a way we can answer this with utmost certainty. What we do know is that Dylan was horribly depressed and that Eric Harris was extremely anti- social.
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07 May 20 10:33 pm *
Karl wrote:
...as for being pyschopaths, I don't think people really know what that means. (I was called a psychopath in High School simply because I liked Vampires, watched X-Files, interested in military history and listened to rap). Psychopath's have a disfunction in the frontal lobe (or frontal cortex?) which is responsible for learning appropriate behavious. They can't comprehend between right and wrong and are only concerned about themselves. I'm sure someone else could explain that better though. Ha,ha! Hope that helps?



In this case, it came from the investigators in the case. They had examined their writings, both in the journals and other materials. The experts Ive seen argue that he was either a psychopath or a narssist.

I personally believe that psychopaths can separate between right and wrong, but they dont feel empathy much like other people, but thats not something I can proove, cause I dont have the basic knowledge about psychopaths. Only thing Im aware of is that most psychopaths arent likely to become killers, which is why I belive most of them do have some moral understanding of right and wrong in one way or another. And they are also a tiny proportion of all school shooters. Peter Langmann argues that these type of school shooters are also sadistic, as well as psychopathic.
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07 May 20 11:03 pm
What is true, though, from my impression, is that bullying seems to play a role in regards to school shootings, allthough its not a sole factor.

Mental health issues, desperation, setbacks, sometimes bullying, in a few cases child abuse( allthough not when it comes to Eric and Dylan. But its true for Mitchell Johnson, Mark Lepine and a few other school shooters).
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10 May 20 7:49 pm
Sounds like you've already figure it out. In life there's often more than one reason why something has happened. BTW I got curious and looked this up; https://psychcentral.com/blog/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/

Turns out the difference between a socipath and a psycopath is a little different to what I said....oops! Ha, ha! But I do remember hearding a psychologist say that a socipath can learn to be better but pschopaths can't. It's soooooo easy to get them confused though, I still do occasionally and have to google it to refresh y memroy. : S