Orion's belt in the Dipper constellations had two stars that went supernova

the first was in Egyptian times, Imenotep and his snake constellation of one snake kinda squished into two is the source of the origin of the naming of the sign, from the Greek Ptolemy Egyptian days.

The second supernova in Orion the serpent constellation does exist, the Kepler explosion after 1600


um, I don't know how there could be 13 signs, there is only 360 degrees of the sky to cut up, scientifically it does not make sense even if you take into account Aried retrograde or whatever.



Because this is so, the 13th house is only 18 days long

This particular Zodiac has a 14th sign:

Sagittarius... Dec 18 - Jan 18
Capricornus... Jan 19 - Feb 15
Aquarius... Feb 16 - Mar 11
Pisces... Mar 12 - Apr 18
Cetus... Mar 14
Aries... Apr 19 - May 13
Taurus... May 14 - Jun 19
Gemini... Jun 20 - Jul 20
Cancer... Jul 21 - Aug 9
Leo... Aug 10 - Sep 15
Virgo... Sep 16 - Oct 30
Libra... Oct 31 - Nov 22
Scorpius... Nov 23 - Nov 29
Ophiuchus... Nov 30 - Dec 17

Cetus obviously is the day before the Ides of March, when Julius Caesar was backstabbed by 60 Senators or so....

I believe Orion is of the Big Dipper and the Little Dipper, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, and Ursa means bear. Big Bear and Little Bear.

Since it is 1 snake and not 2 it has nothing to do with the Cadmus or the sign of the medical profession


Sevven from vampirerave wrote: "Ophiuchus represents is Cernunnos, a serpent god who was closely related to representations of the devil by the early Catholic church. There IS a famous and well-documented star constellation tied to this "sign" that is observable to the naked eye if you know what you are looking for. "It is a large constellation located in the southern hemisphere near the center of the Milky Way, between Scorpius to the west and Sagittarius to the east." Furthermore, it has always been associated with the sepent and the constellation is broken into recognizing two distinct parts of the sepent; Serpens Caput and Sepens Caudia. There are a number of "famous" stars in this constellation including Barnard's Star and Keplar's supernova.

" -(The scholar Felix Felix of said website wrote): "The serpent was knowledge in almost every culture. A highly learned druid was referred to as an adder or serpent and looked upon with respect. The Minoans, the Ageans, and the Gnostics associated the serpent with wisdom."

However, I think, there is something really ominous and auspicious about the serpent bearer, as life goes more beyond I thought I was a Gemini and now I am another sign...If your sign has changed then you also change like from an air sign to an earth sign, or water to fire, I mean

this is indicative of a potential dual nature of the elements, as well as the 5th element Ether, which has been dropped from the picture. Ether is the breath of God. It is of Greek Origin.


Now the outdated original chart, which astrological divisions of the scientific community has reversed the decision of all that came before to re-include Ophiuchus into the science of cutting up of the sky as the 13th sign governing us.

Yes all of us. As each house passes through another sign, sometimes we are under the influence of another house.

I currently am under the jurisdiction of the house of the serpent, and it guides me in life to make decisions of where to go in life and what to do with it based upon the influence of the serpent.

All of us will be under the influence of the Serpent Bearer at some point in time

I have not done research on Imenhotep, but I have heard his name very many times in my study of Egyptology, and it suffices enough for me that he was a mortal who came unto being a god through the development of his understanding of science and making people around him heal. And for this he was made immortal.

I think the man superimposed on the snake is a very important image, and the Cadmus perhaps, the two twined snakes that represent the banner of the health profession, is one and the same.


I think the man stepping on the snake splits the snake in 2, and a whole can of worms occurs, ill health and such and the need for treatment that creates in people like Imenhotep the responsibility to become a doctor.

I am not going to go into visuals of what the snake might represent in this life, but I have come to understand how maltreatment of this symbol found in nature leads to disease.


Was Imenhotep a god for understanding this? No. He was a god for doing something about it.


question why did the 13th sign disappear?

The snake is a part of the Chinese horoscope that goes by years. It is not part of the Western Horoscope because it was probably erased from it due to the Christian Church, I mean St Patrick was made a snake because he killed all the snakes in Ireland.

This is of course highly symbolic, and I think if you ever did enough Archeological digging I don't think you will find any snakes in Ireland's underground in all the years before St Patrick's time , and it was just a way for the Church to say that there was something wrong with snakes, symbolically. Which is of course a very wrong thing to make any man or any woman feel.

corpus0713 wrote:


Imhotep Also known as "The Father of Medicine" 2980 BC. He served as a Chancellor to the Pharoah and was a High priest of the "Sun God RA".

The 13th Sign was not recognized until recent findings

" here was not always a 13th sign in the Zodiac [Mazzaroth]. About 2000 years ago the Sun traveled from the constellation Scorpius and then went directly into the sign of Sagittarius, but due to the constant motion of the cosmos, the Sun now enters, for a few days of the year, the star constellation 'Ophiuchus' before entering Sagittarius from Scorpius, thus creating Astrologically the birth of a thirteenth sign of the Zodiac, which is named: Ophiuchus the 'man' Serpent Holder, patterned from the original 'Serpent Holder', Enki, a Sumerian god." Betty Rhodes. """"""""""""

The only problem with Corpus's copy and paste job is that the zodiac in the time of Jesus was the Pices, sign of the fish, the Pope hats reflect this, and we are still in the Pices Age until the Age of Aquarius in 2470.

Though the horoscopes advance from say Sagitarius to Capricorn, the Ages go in the opposite direction. If you are ever in Grand Central Station, which is pretty much Holy Ground like the Vatican, just look up on the ceiling, they have a painting depicting the procession of the ages which first started in Babylonia with the sing of the Lamb. It is interesting that in the year of 2000 or therabouts there was a comet that last passed during the Babylonian Cradle of civilization, modern day Iraq.


the internet is a poor information tool I will post something to help the ones like me come to a conclusion when even when a link is posted people read it and they do not even bring back their findings from the 13th planet beyond pluto which they have not named yet, it only has a number.

Now we are finding that there is a larger planatoid beyond pluto, and pluto itself, the god of the underworld has now been under fire for just being a large asteroid.

They have studied the rock out there, I believe we either have a probe that has passed by, or just about to within 2 years make a second pass to gather more information. That body of rock out there, which would be the prophesied 13th, would be an astrological sign originator because each planet is the basis for one of the signs, one of the months.

Each sign has a muse to go along with it, and the muses traditionally, like Venus a powerful muse named Erato, the Goddess of epic love powertry (sp) poetry, I guess, or conclude since it is beyond PLuto it would be a muse for poetry about death, since it is past the underworld, or would be the poet inspireer of the charmed in the Elysian fields, which the is Greek equivalent of Heaven, all the rest of the underworld is Heaven, or it could be as you are all hoping for... a very bad place.

Numerologically speaking I know all about the numbers, and since I have a great feel for all the numbers, in the number 13 I have found nothing unlucky. Triskaidekaphobia, the fear of the #13 is unwarranted, as my understanding of the number 13 is a good thing and it goes back to Erato, which proves to be a sexual number.

VampireSpawn of the Rave wrote: "THe idea of unlucky Friday 13 comes from the day that "all" (supposedly) the Templar Knights were rounded up and accused of heresy . " It was the Teutonic Knights that were ordered to kill the Templars die, the Teutonic KNights came from the areas north of Prussia, and east of the Baltic. The Templars were to guard the Holy Land of Jesus, and their failure was ridiculed by the Kings that sent them to secure the area, whenst they fought amongst themselves, and this was why the knights failed, GREED IS NOT GOOD.

the Historian story with the rationale for the #13 being unlucky because of the Templars murder, must be right on.

I am a non classically trained numerologist and I find no correlation between 13 and ill luck beyond the vampire fortnight phenomena.

It is bogus.


Believe me though, I have found nothing wrong with the number 13. Yes, and then if it is not unlucky, the fear of the number must be not factually based, and therefore lucky, or auspicious in some manner. However it is merely ununderstood, and I hope I have thrown some like into the darkest part of the universe because the planet it must be named for has only for the most part been detected because of its gravitational effect on pluto. If PLuto is the god of the underworld, and death, and this piece of rock 2 times larger than Pluto has powers of influence over death, or to come back from the dead, then that again is a good thing.

I will admit 13 is a number I know least about, and not being classically trained as a numerologist, the term is triskadacaphobia is the fear of the number 13... Phobias perhaps stemming from the Planet Phoebe around Jupiter, the God of the Planets. Or fear of God.

I do not think it was either Roman of Greek originated though, that I can be sure.

Or at least the first Greek Civilization. Ptomley how ever you spell it might be the best lead though I will say, for that is both a Greek mathematicians name (spelled wrong) or one of the Pharaoh who were the puppet Government in place after Alexander the Great took Egypt.

It is not Roman because Rome had only 10 months until Caesar added July for Julius, and his nephew Augustus Caesar, i.e. the name he had before he was Augustus which was Octavius made August the 8th month in his name to balance out the calendar.


The number 13 is potentially ominous in a negative way, so I was inclined to decline the invitation to such a website since the Roman Calendar had only 10 months initially and a couple of religious feast holiday months thrown in place of the missing time after December, which means the 10th month in Italian. And this was the only info provided by the thread starter, that it was from the Roman calendar.

So the last month would actually be the 11th according to the strong connection alluded to by the starter of the thread, and have nothing to do with 13 at all.

I hope I have not disturbed anyones cosmology, please disregard this meteorological report.

The clues provided by other threads is the word Mithraism.

are very potential clues, but my Latin is spotty and my analysis of MithraisM from a wordsmith angel would not be believed so I will keep my suspicions to myself.

There is a Mithraic Blood cleansing ritual. Mithraism would be a derivative of the word.







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Re: The !3th Zodiac Sign
Posted: 08:47:56 - Nov 22 2006
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What to start about zodiac signs,
origin is from mithraism,
yes this word becoming familar slowly.

This universe is in under calcuration,
everything of it,it has math behind it,
that is why math is the key to the universe.

In this solar system we living in,12th is max
signs linked through 4th dimension as time.

24/7/365 12months 7days every of it.

Monday,tuesday,wednesday,thursday,
friday,saturday and sunday,these 7day/nights connected through 7 planets
out there.

Monday=Moon
Tuesday=Mars
Wednesday=Mercury
Thursday=Jupiter
Friday=Venus
Saturday=Saturn
Sunday=Sun

That greek calucuration made at 2000 A.D.

Mithraism exists from when this universe
have been made.

TegoSanguisitim of the Rave provided the gemstone affiliation with the traditional zodiac:





Re: The !3th Zodiac Sign
Posted: 11:10:33 - Nov 26 2006
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Below I have listed the "traditional" 12 zodiac signs and thier associated gem stone.

Aries, the Ram = April = Amethyst
Taurus, the Bull = May = Agate
Gemini, the Twins = June = Beryl
Cancer, the Crab = July = Emerald
Leo, the Lion = August = Ruby
Virgo, the Virgin = September = Jasper
Libra, the Balance = October = Diamond
Scorpio, the Scorpion = November = Topaz
Sagittarius, the Archer = December = Carbuncle
Capricorn, the Goat = January = Onyx Chalcedony
Aquarius, the Waterbearer = February = Sapphire
Pisces, the Fishes = March = Chrysolite

Duration of Size and Sun's period therein.
January 21 to February 18 - - Garnet
February 19 to March 20 - - - Amethyst
March 21 to April 20 - - - - Bloodstone
April 21 to May 21 - - - - - Sapphire
May 22 to June 21 - - - - - Emerald
June 22 to July 23 - - - - - Agate
July 24 to August 23 - - - - Ruby
August 24 to September 23 - Sardonyx
September 24 to October 23 - Chrysolite
October 24 to November 22 - Opal
November 23 to December 22 - Topaz
December 23 to January 20 - Turquoise


There are 13 signs because as the earth spins it rotates, and as it rotates it cuts into the sky extra degrees out of the 360

so it is a floppy kind of a mapping of the sky, also to take into account would be that the Aurora Australis, the Southern lights, and the Southern Cross takes over for the sailors when they cannot see Thuban the North Star, some think the North Star is POlaris, but that changes every 4000 years due to the wobble of the Earthen skies. The Northern Lights are called the Aurora Borelis, and the Double snake chasing its tail, is the Ouroborus, a very auspicious sign. Laters.